08/14 - Mets at Yankees

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Edgy MD » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:06 pm

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby cooby » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:06 pm

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Edgy MD » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:08 pm

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Nice rocket, Wilmer.

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Edgy MD » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:11 pm

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:14 pm

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Frayed Knot » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:14 pm

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bmfc1 wrote:Leave in the garbage righty reliever because a righty is up: HR
Put in the solid lefty reliever because a lefty is up: out, but take him out and
Put in a mediocre righty reliever because a righty is up: HR.

I cannot wait for Teufel or Geren or Lopez or literally anyone else to start managing this team.


Hicks led off that inning and was a switch-hitter.
Not sure who y'all wanted in there instead of Robles but Judge was up next so if it was going to be Blevins so as to turn Hicks around it likely would have been a one batter outing.
Then came the lefty Gregorius, then the righty Sanchez so I'm open to hearing alternate scenarios for that inning.

I'd tend to blame the fact that we essentially went hitless after the back-to-back HRs.
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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Edgy MD » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:14 pm

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby bmfc1 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:15 pm

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bmfc1 wrote:Leave in the garbage righty reliever because a righty is up: HR
Put in the solid lefty reliever because a lefty is up: out, but take him out and
Put in a mediocre righty reliever because a righty is up: HR.

I cannot wait for Teufel or Geren or Lopez or literally anyone else to start managing this team.


Hicks led off that inning and was a switch-hitter.
Not sure who y'all wanted in there instead of Robles but Judge was up next so if it was going to be Blevins so as to turn Hicks around it likely would have been a one batter outing.
Then came the lefty Gregorius, then the righty Sanchez so I'm open to hearing alternate scenarios for that inning.

I'd tend to blame the fact that we essentially went hitless after the back-to-back HRs.

Give the fact checking a rest for once, especially after a loss to those guys.
Robles should never be in the game unless he is on another team. Start the inning with Blevins and (CENSORED!).

Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Frayed Knot » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:26 pm

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bmfc1 wrote:This is not a very good time to FUCKING FACT CHECK ME! Give it a rest for once.
Robles should never be in the game unless he is on another team. Start the inning with Blevins and (CENSORED!).


Hey, I'm asking for suggestions here rather than the standard reaction where every time any reliever gives up anything then Terry is automatically to blame.

Fine, let's start with Blevins to face the SW Hicks and RH Judge -- but if that blew up him then we'd cite Blevins' 1100 OPS vs RHBs and declare THAT to be Terry's fault too.
Seawald and/or Bradford, the two 27 y/old rookies with < 60 innings of ML time combined both of whom pitched yesterday? I like Goeddell there (1 runs allowed in last 10 outings) better than either
Your second best lefty in Smoker?

Like I said, I'm open to suggestions here.
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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Edgy MD » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:42 pm

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby d'Kong76 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:43 pm

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I have a hard time buying the blame Terry thing tonight, except the Robles
overuse thing. Judge 1 HR and counting.

Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Zvon » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:26 pm

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Frayed Knot » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:02 am

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Odd fact of the game: For each of the Yanx who HR'd last night [Aaron Hicks, Aaron Judge, Gary Sanchez] it was their 40th career HR
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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Lefty Specialist » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:28 am

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Typical Met game. Two early solo home runs, then pfffft. Starter struggles mightily to get through 6. Bullpen gives it up.

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Frayed Knot » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:41 am

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MLB-wide pct of solo HRs = 58.9%
NYM pct of solo HRs = 68.2%

Now you'd expect some kind of gap given our poor (though not bottom of the barrel) OBA, but still ...
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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Edgy MD » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:43 am

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Curious that the Mets have stolen the Giants' snack trays.
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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Centerfield » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:12 am

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Frayed Knot wrote:
bmfc1 wrote:Leave in the garbage righty reliever because a righty is up: HR
Put in the solid lefty reliever because a lefty is up: out, but take him out and
Put in a mediocre righty reliever because a righty is up: HR.

I cannot wait for Teufel or Geren or Lopez or literally anyone else to start managing this team.


Hicks led off that inning and was a switch-hitter.
Not sure who y'all wanted in there instead of Robles but Judge was up next so if it was going to be Blevins so as to turn Hicks around it likely would have been a one batter outing.
Then came the lefty Gregorius, then the righty Sanchez so I'm open to hearing alternate scenarios for that inning.

I'd tend to blame the fact that we essentially went hitless after the back-to-back HRs.


I didn't know Hicks was a switch hitter. So that makes it less of an obvious decision. But still a switch that has to be made.

Robles has been pretty good since he's been back. But he doesn't have enough pitches to mix it up, and I think leaving him in for a second inning is pushing your luck. Especially in that ballpark. It was like a carbon copy of the Colorado game, where he was able to get through one inning, but in his second inning of work, they got to him.

Everyone in my house groaned as soon as they saw Robles out there to start the second inning. It looks like Edgy felt that too.

Sewald has been our most reliable reliever all season. The obvious move is to start the inning with him. Sure, he pitched Sunday, but was off Saturday and has hardly been overworked.

I suspect Terry was holding out Sewald and trying to stretch Robles because of the "you don't pitch your closer in a tie game on the road" rule. It's stupid. This four game series was a chance to give us some ray of sunshine in this otherwise miserable season. Fuck Terry and fuck 2017.

If I were managing, Ramos would have pitched the 8th against the heart of the order. Then mix and match the rest of the way, starting with my best relievers. But I know that this is so far from convention that it's hard to ask that of anyone.

Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Edgy MD » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:23 am

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Centerfield wrote:Robles has been pretty good since he's been back. But he doesn't have enough pitches to mix it up, and I think leaving him in for a second inning is pushing your luck. Especially in that ballpark. It was like a carbon copy of the Colorado game, where he was able to get through one inning, but in his second inning of work, they got to him.

I'm generally in favor of riding a guy as long as you can, but he sure seemed to labor through that first inning, fighting himself at times, even if he did escape with two strikeouts. I thought, "Get him out on a positive. He's a reclamation project still trying to find his way back. And he's seen a lot of use of late. You have eight relievers. Use them. Tie games can disappear fast in this park."

Of course, before I thought all that, the Yankees punched me in the nose.
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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby John Cougar Lunchbucket » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:39 am

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Robles famously melted down in the last MFY series iirc. But the reason the Mets lost is that we hit like shit.
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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Vic Sage » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:42 am

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Frayed Knot wrote:MLB-wide pct of solo HRs = 58.9%
NYM pct of solo HRs = 68.2%

Now you'd expect some kind of gap given our poor (though not bottom of the barrel) OBA, but still ...


Perhaps the fact that 2 of our top HR hitters have been batting in the lead-off position much of the season has something to do with it? Even after the 1st inning, hitting after d'Arnaud and the pitcher for the rest of the game isn't going to give a guy (whether Conforto or Granderson) a lot of opportunities for 3-r HRs.
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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Lefty Specialist » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:47 am

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Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Centerfield » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:58 am

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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:Robles famously melted down in the last MFY series iirc. But the reason the Mets lost is that we hit like shit.


Yes. Definitely. Have to muster up more than that against Cessa and the pen.

My post was more:

1. Frustrated venting.
2. Realization that if we ever get good again, and have options in the pen, I certainly don't want Terry Collins managing them.

Nice guy. Time for him to go.

Re: 08/14 - Mets at Yankees

Postby Zvon » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:30 am

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Edgy MD wrote:
Zvon wrote:Image

Curious that the Mets have stolen the Giants' snack trays.


Lol. I think that's something left over from the Polo Grounds. What are they? Sunflower seeds?
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