Horse, Shit & Horseshit: The Sarah Huckabee Thread.

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Postby Lefty Specialist » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:50 pm

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Ay caramba. I enjoy discussing politics. But I really hate the personal stuff. I can be snarky at times, but I mean no ill will to anyone here. It is possible to have a reasoned argument without attacking someone.

Unless any of you is The Donald. Then all bets are off.

As for Sarah, she's doing a job. It's harder than the press secretary's job should be because she has to shovel Trump's shit every day. If she didn't do it someone else would. I have no position on her bodily odors.
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This doesn't do anything for me, if it even is supposed to. I hate the personal attacks just like everyone else here. But personal attacks don't seem to be much of a problem for anyone here so long as I'm on the receiving end. It's only when I give it back that the whole forum goes up in arms. 90% liberals, at least, on the political threads but I'm the only one singled out for personal attacks for political views. No one stuck up for me when I was called a hamburger flipper or a religious bigot or a misogynist or someone not worthy of engaging because I took the outrageous position of dissing Betsy Devos. The shit only hits the fan when I respond. Not that I need anyone to fight my battles but youse sure do like to jump in when I give it back. And then youse conveninetly leave out the part that I'm giving it back. Then, youse get amnesia about what started it all.


These responses are bullshit and Nomar is all twisted up in pretzels, wanting to weigh in, but locked into his bullshit story about him ignoring my posts.

What's the over/under on Grimm reminding me that Nomar really is ignoring me? I say 100 minutes. What side do you bet on. Maybe the over since it's night-time now.

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Okay, how about if I call what you write "misogynist" and "whiny" and "knee-jerk ad hominem?"

I mean, if there's one guy who thinks you're an asshole, maybe-- maybe-- he's the asshole. But when it's five, or seven, or nine... and they all more or less agree with the actual point you're trying to make... well, it may be time to revisit your style/blinders, no?
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I try really hard to ignore all the grade school bullshit.

It’s getting really hard to ignore it.

I couldn’t tell you the last time anyone said shit about me (I’m probably just too banal to elicit a strong negative response)

But seriously, if I did engender such a reaction, I ignore it. Or forget it. I’ve got a limited attention span and I prefer to spend it on actual 3-year olds.

Come to think of it, I’m sure I had people say mean things at me back on the mofo. Maybe I was just more interesting in my youth.

Regardless, if there’s a fued brewing, or just bubbling up to the fore, maybe instead of either side digging down deeper into the muck and mire, rise up above the petty bullshit. It gets in the way of whatever point you’re trying to make.

Unless the only point that’s being made is that feuds are a tedious bore. In which case, please. Carry on.
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Postby Centerfield » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:05 pm

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Not that my opinion matters, but I'd love it if the feuding parties could hit reset on everything here. I don't know enough to know what the genesis of the problem is, but largely this board is populated by good people, and it's silly to hold these personal vendettas against good people.

I do fully understand the frustration of being painted as the aggressor because of a crass speaking (or writing) manner. Usually it's me that ends up swearing too much or yelling, or just taking things too far. But it's important to understand that sometimes the most offensive ones are the soft-spoken, gentle speaking douchebags who are passively aggressive. It's fucking infuriating. And sometimes third parties can't see that unless you take the time to really look. So I do get that.

But at the same time, even if you are provoked, it's on you if you take it too far. And when I eventually calm down, I realize that I've been a dickhead too. So maybe we can all take some blame and start over.

I hope that this post makes some sense.

Of course, none of this should excuse soulless garbage waste of space completely devoid of morals cocksuckers who let political allegiances and agendas replace basic human decency. Ones who can't agree that pedophilia, racism, and sexual harrassment are inexcusable. Those dickheads should be called out for what
they are.

On Edit: Just read my post again. I am certainly not implying that anyone here provoked anyone by being a soft spoken, passive aggressive douchebag. I hope no one took it that way. I'm just speaking in general, that sometimes the guy that's yelling and swearing may not be the aggressor.

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Centerfield wrote:Not that my opinion matters, but I'd love it if the feuding parties could hit reset on everything here. I don't know enough to know what the genesis of the problem is, but largely this board is populated by good people, and it's silly to hold these personal vendettas against good people.

I do fully understand the frustration of being painted as the aggressor because of a crass speaking (or writing) manner. Usually it's me that ends up swearing too much or yelling, or just taking things too far. But it's important to understand that sometimes the most offensive ones are the soft-spoken, gentle speaking douchebags who are passively aggressive. It's fucking infuriating. And sometimes third parties can't see that unless you take the time to really look. So I do get that.

But at the same time, even if you are provoked, it's on you if you take it too far. And when I eventually calm down, I realize that I've been a dickhead too. So maybe we can all take some blame and start over.

I hope that this post makes some sense.

Of course, none of this should excuse soulless garbage waste of space completely devoid of morals cocksuckers who let political allegiances and agendas replace basic human decency. Ones who can't agree that pedophilia, racism, and sexual harrassment are inexcusable. Those dickheads should be called out for what
they are.

On Edit: Just read my post again. I am certainly not implying that anyone here provoked anyone by being a soft spoken, passive aggressive douchebag. I hope no one took it that way. I'm just speaking in general, that sometimes the guy that's yelling and swearing may not be the aggressor.


But people who engage in deeply personal attacks and daily antagonism are aggressors.

Just my 2 cents, but I think the forum is at a bit of a crossroads. Ashie is right. There are fewer people posting. Reading some of the archived threads posted recently, I was struck by the number people who don't post any more.

That might be because the Mets had a crappy season. But it also might be because the attacks aren't just confined to the politics thread, but now have spread across the non-baseball forum and even into the baseball threads.

I think people are sick of it. They're sick of hearing it in the office, they're sick of it filling their Facebook threads and they can't escape it even when they come here.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I like to poke in here throughout the day when I need a little break from all the stressful stuff going on at work. Not too long ago, I think when I realized I'd been here 10 years, I posted about how much the people in this forum meant to me, how it was a special place and how it kept me close to my team even though I live far from New York. It was a fun place to talk about baseball, our kids, obscure 1980s synth bands, and, on a good day, the Ramones.

And today, after wading through the now-daily baiting and personal attacks and toxicity, I asked myself why I was reading the forum. It wasn't relieving stress, it was adding to it. There must be other places where people talk about the Mets without a small number of people destroying it for everyone else.

If we could even limit the toxicity to one thread -- heck, call it the "I hate the president" thread -- and make it easy for everyone else to avoid it, it would be an improvement. Then we could also have a place for good discussions without the hate speech, bigotry, misogyny, and smears.

If I'm alone in feeling this way, so be it. But I don't think I am.
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Yeah, I am guilty of adding to the negativity of late. Even if I'm responding to someone else doing it, I'm surely adding to something that doesn't really require any more fuel.
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I wish we could all sit down for a face to face. Some of us live too far off though, as 41 says.

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Postby d'Kong76 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:30 am

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My face has been spit on so many times, my ass reamed with utter nastiness and
total disrespect, and piles of shit rammed down my throat here that perhaps I have
just become numb to it all. Going forward, I will try to not engage in (and try to
better ignore) any further uncivil behavior.

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On your side KC :)

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Postby Lefty Specialist » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:01 am

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You know, all this personal stuff is blinding us to the larger threat- Sarah Huckabee Sanders' assault on the truth itself.

Washington (CNN)On Wednesday morning, President Donald Trump retweeted three videos purportedly showing Muslims committing acts of violence against Christians. He did so despite the fact that the videos came from a far-right, anti-Muslim group in Britain and remain unverified.

Which is all beside the point, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders.

"Whether it is a real video, the threat is real," Sanders told reporters Wednesday morning. "That is what the President is talking about, that is what the President is focused on is dealing with those real threats, and those are real no matter how you look at it."

When pressed on the difference between the videos being real or fake, Sanders replied, "I'm not talking about the nature of the video. I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. The threat is real, and that's what the President is talking about."

Yes. She really said that. The official spokesperson for the White House said that whether or not videos depicting violence committed by Muslims are actually real is beside the point. And that by focusing on whether the videos are real, reporters are "focusing on the wrong things."

Here's Sanders' argument in simpler terms: The end justifies the means. We know that Muslims commit acts of violence and hate the West. So, whether or not the actions depicted in these videos are real doesn't actually matter. They are a symbol of something that is real.

Which is, of course, a) ridiculous and b) dangerous.

It's controversial enough for Trump to use his bully pulpit -- and his massive Twitter following -- to pass around videos that seek to paint an entire religion with a broad, negative brush. "These are people who want to get you and we need to get them first!" is the unmistakable message Trump is sending by passing on videos like these.

To do so when no one knows whether or not the videos have been edited, doctored or faked entirely is beyond the pale. This is classic leap-before-you-look-ism. It's not great in any circumstance. It's even worse when it's the President of the United States seeking to use the videos to prove a point about the threat posed by radical Islamic terrorists.

But -- and I didn't even think this was possible -- Sanders actually made what Trump did worse! The veracity of the videos doesn't matter, she argued. The point is how the videos make people feel!

(Sidebar: Sanders' response reminds me of the scene in "Blades of Glory" when Will Ferrell and Jon Heder are debating what song they should skate to. Ferrell demands it be "My Humps" by the Black Eyed Peas. Heder's character balks, arguing that he doesn't even understand what the song means. "No one knows what it means, but it's provocative," responds Ferrell's character.)

In an administration made famous/infamous by "alternative facts" and a near-daily assault on truth, Sanders' assertion fits right in. Trump has made clear -- on more than 1,600 occasions since being sworn in as President -- that facts are to be ignored when they don't fit your preferred narrative.

None of what Sanders said, then, should be surprising. And yet, her brazenness in asserting that fake and real is a meaningless distinction is stunning. Truly.
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Sorry, I was focused on some of the other things in the thread and not on the
allegedly unhygienic Huckster. Maybe we can parse some of the non-Sarah stuff
into another thread or something.

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d'Kong76 wrote:Sorry, I was focused on some of the other things in the thread and not on the
allegedly unhygienic Huckster. Maybe we can parse some of the non-Sarah stuff
into another thread or something.


I created a new thread.

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d'Kong76 wrote:Sorry, I was focused on some of the other things in the thread and not on the
allegedly unhygienic Huckster. Maybe we can parse some of the non-Sarah stuff
into another thread or something.


Maybe if people focussed on the bad things she allegedly does instead of calling her names (that would get you burned at the stake for calling a liberal woman) we would be focusswd on those things she does.
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Nymr83 wrote:
d'Kong76 wrote:Sorry, I was focused on some of the other things in the thread and not on the
allegedly unhygienic Huckster. Maybe we can parse some of the non-Sarah stuff
into another thread or something.


Maybe if people focussed on the bad things she allegedly does instead of calling her names (that would get you burned at the stake for calling a liberal woman) we would be focusswd on those things she does.


well, drop the allegedly. And drop the impression of a double standard, it's not like horrible things haven't been said about 'liberals' too.
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Its not an impression, its a reality. I have never called Hillary a c***, questioned the smell of her body parts, or called for her beheading. All of these things have been said about Huckabee, Ivanka, or Davos on this board recently.

The sooner you recognize this and distance yourself from the offenders the sooner we can discuss things that really matter.
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Hillary also hasn't tried to sell our education or destroy the press. These are bad people doing bad things and I don't really care what words we use to describe them as long as that's not the actual argument, which it hasn't been.

Let's not let colorful language distract from the point, that she's attacking and undermining the press and the truth.
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Nymr83 wrote:Its not an impression, its a reality. I have never called Hillary a c***, questioned the smell of her body parts, or called for her beheading. All of these things have been said about Huckabee, Ivanka, or Davos on this board recently.

The sooner you recognize this and distance yourself from the offenders the sooner we can discuss things that really matter.


I wonder whose posts you've been not reading to get that info, you bullshit artist.

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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Nymr83 wrote:Its not an impression, its a reality. I have never called Hillary a c***, questioned the smell of her body parts, or called for her beheading. All of these things have been said about Huckabee, Ivanka, or Davos on this board recently.

The sooner you recognize this and distance yourself from the offenders the sooner we can discuss things that really matter.


I wonder whose posts you've been not reading to get that info, you bullshit artist.


other thread. this one's for the press secretary's idiocy.
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Ceetar wrote:no one _made_ her lie about baking a chocolate pecan pie and then tweeting a stock image of one.



Sarah Huckabee's a vile piece of shit. The other day, she rejoiced at the fact that CNN won't be attending the White House christmas party, crowing about how "Christmas came early". Huckabee's response was unprovoked and gratuitous, and can't be defended on grounds that she's defending the president's policies. She's a piece of shit.

And she still hasn't baked that pie, like she promised to do in response to piegate. Because she's a fucking liar who probably has no idea how to bake a pie.

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The press needs to drop the fucking pie thing, referencing it is fine. a response of "Is that true, or is this another pecan pie?" would be great.

but press on the lies and evasions that matter, not her distractions.
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Nymr83 wrote:Its not an impression, its a reality. I have never called Hillary a c***, questioned the smell of her body parts, or called for her beheading. All of these things have been said about Huckabee, Ivanka, or Davos on this board recently.

The sooner you recognize this and distance yourself from the offenders the sooner we can discuss things that really matter.


i wholeheartedly agree. none of that shit is remotely helpful, and does nothing to advance either the discussion or the argument.

(somehow the smallness of trump's hands is perfectly ok, though, because he made an issue of it. i don't think it appropriate to comment, though, on his personal odor.)

it's perfectly fine to call sanders all of hte fun and innovative mean things you can think of, though when those things start to veer into the "i'm calling her this name because she's a woman" is when you run afoul.

i don't think anyone would stand for calling obama a n***er or monkey, alleging a level of consumption of fried chicken, or calling for a lynching. and rightly so. we should not allow any of ourselves to do the same comparative thing to sanders, or any woman, for the same reasons.

there is no excuse for it, no reason for it, and it should neither be tolerated nor encouraged.

it's ugly, petty, and weak. and a disservice to your cause. it's not about colorful language. also, it really detracts from the point that president trump is unfit for duty partly on account of the way that he uses words and language and shits all over the respect due to the office of the president of the united states. you can make your argument that sanders is a bad bad person, or devos is a bad bad person (and they both are - or at least are certainly behaving as such) without that garbage.

rise above, and all that.

let the racists and assholes and misogynists go low.

rise above.
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I don't see where anybody made fun of Huckabee's cunt. As for me, all I wrote was that I was thankful she didn't ask me to lick it. I'd prefer to pick and choose for myself whose pussy I lick. But that's me. Maybe youse would like to be forced to lick Hickabee's pussy. Different strokes, I suppose.

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Ceetar wrote:The press needs to drop the fucking pie thing, referencing it is fine. a response of "Is that true, or is this another pecan pie?" would be great.

but press on the lies and evasions that matter, not her distractions.


Yeah, that is am issue with our media in general - focussing on bullshit instead of issues.
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Ceetar wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Nymr83 wrote:Its not an impression, its a reality. I have never called Hillary a c***, questioned the smell of her body parts, or called for her beheading. All of these things have been said about Huckabee, Ivanka, or Davos on this board recently.

The sooner you recognize this and distance yourself from the offenders the sooner we can discuss things that really matter.


I wonder whose posts you've been not reading to get that info, you bullshit artist.


other thread. this one's for the press secretary's idiocy.


Unfortunately, I still see that idiot's posts when others quote them. No solution other than banning him is perfect.
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