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Politics in 2018

Postby Edgy MD » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:00 pm

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Senator Orrin Hatch, chair of the Finance Committee, has announced he will not seek election. Broad calls for his retirement from Utah press outlets, who see the onetime independent voice as just another water-carrier for the president. The Salt Lake Tribune had named him Utahn of the Year, but for negative reasons in an editorial that ripped him coming and going. Completely missing the irony, he publicly thanked the paper.

Reports are that former presidential candidate Mitch Romney, a frequent critic of the president, plans to run for the vacated seat.

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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Benjamin Grimm » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:11 pm

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I'd certainly welcome Mitt Romney as the Senator from Utah. It would be good to have one more rational GOP voter in the Senate.

On the other hand, Michele Bachmann says she's considering running for Al Franken's seat in Minnesota.

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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Nymr83 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:14 pm

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Would love to see Romney take that seat.

Bachmann? Seriously? That would be a gift to democrats. Tim Pawlenty needs to he drafted ASAP.
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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby sharpie » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:32 pm

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Pawlenty barely won his reelection bid in 2006 and ran an embarrassing race for President in 2012. Given Minnesota's general blue makeup I can't see him or another Republican winning that seat (unless Senator Smith turns out to be an embarrassment).

I do find it interesting that the two Senators being sworn in today are named Smith and Jones.

Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Frayed Knot » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:52 pm

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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Edgy MD » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:58 pm

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sharpie wrote:Pawlenty barely won his reelection bid in 2006 and ran an embarrassing race for President in 2012. Given Minnesota's general blue makeup I can't see him or another Republican winning that seat (unless Senator Smith turns out to be an embarrassment).

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Postby Benjamin Grimm » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:22 pm

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Re: Politics in 2018

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True and especially true since third-party bids tend to get traction in Minnesota (see Ventura, Jesse). That was how Pawlenty won the first time. My main point is that T-Paw is not a great candidate.

Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Lefty Specialist » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:23 pm

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The Lieutenant governor (Smith) will essentially run as an incumbent. Given the lean already, unless she's a complete burnout she should hold the seat, even against Michelle Bachmann and her magic mouth.

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Re: Politics in 2018

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Lefty Specialist wrote:The Lieutenant governor (Smith) will essentially run as an incumbent. Given the lean already, unless she's a complete burnout she should hold the seat, even against Michelle Bachmann and her magic mouth.

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I couldn't vote for her, too much tooth contact there. She seems "abrasive" to me.
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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Nymr83 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:57 am

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Re: Politics in 2018

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Nymr83 wrote:I'll take "Sexist Comments" for $200, Alex


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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Lefty Specialist » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:01 am

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Nymr83 wrote:I'll take "Sexist Comments" for $200, Alex


Well, just to avoid charges of sexism.....

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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Edgy MD » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:21 am

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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Edgy MD » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:26 am

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House Transportation Chairman Bill Shuster (R–PA) has also announced he will retire at the end of his term.

Guys, if this isn't the party you signed up for, I understand. But between the two extremes of capitulation and retirement, there's a third way, and that's to stand and fight. Show some backbone.

Two problems with Senatorial Candidate Romney will be (1) reassuring voters that he's not using the Utah Senate seat as a springboard to make another presidential run, and (2) owning his selection of Paul Ryan as a running mate, now that we know that Ryan is as yellow-bellied as anybody.
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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Lefty Specialist » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:11 am

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I'm okay with Romney for a few reasons:

1) As Republicans go, he's relatively sane. Yeah, he'll vote for all the bed stuff and all the bad judges, but this pushes the Republican caucus just a smidge to the left.

2) He hates Trump. And Trump knows he hates him. So Trump will go out of his way to irritate him and sooner or later Romney will intentionally screw something up for him. Think John McCain giving the thumbs-down to Obamacare repeal. Romney will get his thumbs-down moment at some point.

3) Romney is 70. He's independently wealthy. He'll probably be a one-termer, and he'd be 76 in 2024 anyway. So the trouble he can make is limited to hating Trump.

4) It's Utah. Even after Alabama, there is a below-zero chance a Democrat wins. So I can live with Mittens and the dog-on-the-roof stories again.
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Re: Politics in 2018

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I sense that the "bed stuff" that Romney will vote for will be limited to things like pillows and blankets and sheets, and not anything kinky.

Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Edgy MD » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:59 am

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Lefty Specialist wrote:4) It's Utah. Even after Alabama, there is a below-zero chance a Democrat wins. So I can live with Mittens and the dog-on-the-roof stories again.


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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby batmagadanleadoff » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:14 pm

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Lefty Specialist wrote:I'm okay with Romney for a few reasons:

1) As Republicans go, he's relatively sane. Yeah, he'll vote for all the bed stuff and all the bad judges, but this pushes the Republican caucus just a smidge to the left.

2) He hates Trump. And Trump knows he hates him. So Trump will go out of his way to irritate him and sooner or later Romney will intentionally screw something up for him. Think John McCain giving the thumbs-down to Obamacare repeal. Romney will get his thumbs-down moment at some point.

3) Romney is 70. He's independently wealthy. He'll probably be a one-termer, and he'd be 76 in 2024 anyway. So the trouble he can make is limited to hating Trump.

4) It's Utah. Even after Alabama, there is a below-zero chance a Democrat wins. So I can live with Mittens and the dog-on-the-roof stories again.


I disagree. I get that it's ruby red Utah and there's no chance that a Democrat wins Hatch's seat. And I get that Romney's no wingnut and that he's a relatively reasonable Republican, "relatively" being the operative word there. But he's gonna vote for the whole GOP agenda. Just like Corker voted for the dreaded tax bill and just like McCain, who was once a stickler for regular order, in the end voted for the tax bill that was rammed through in virtual secrecy. Jeff Flake, the ultimate never Trumper, goes so far as to publish a book destroying Trump and won't run again, but nevertheles votes for the whole GOP agenda, including Trump's ridiculously absurd cabinet picks and patently unqualified judicial nomineees. Plus the doomed healthcare bill and tax bill that shoves all of the nation's money upwards. They're all the same shitbags in the end, and until they're voted out to the point that they're in the minority, don't expect any material changes. Romney might be a moderate, but I don't see any difference if Hatch were replaced by an extremist nutjob: they'll vote just the same.

Re: Politics in 2018

Postby 41Forever » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:30 pm

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Cool Orrin Hatch fact: He's a prolific songwriter. Mostly a lyricist, but he plays piano.

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I have one of his Christmas CDs. He has a song I like called "Skating with my Baby" about twirling around the Rockefeller Center rink under the Christmas tree.

Here's a group rehearsing it:


Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Fman99 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:50 pm

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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Lefty Specialist » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:59 pm

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The problem with Utah is that you either get Romney or a clone of Mike Lee, the only friend Ted Cruz has. That's why I'll take Romney. And the bed stuff is probably a Mormon thing, or a typo, one of those.
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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Edgy MD » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:10 pm

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I was thinking Mia Love might run for the seat. Or Evan McMullin. There are options.
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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Edgy MD » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:13 pm

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New York looks back and recalls what I stupidly said at the campaign's outset, that the president never wanted to win.

I was stupid not because it wasn't right, but because carrying that notion partially absolved me from doing all I could to sink him from the very start.

The weak side of the didn't-want-to-win argument is that, if they didn't, why did they get so scuzz-tastically in bed with a hostile foreign power. I think the answer is that they didn't want to defeat Secretary Clinton, so much as destroy her. And there wouldn't be consequences unless they won, which wasn't in the cards.

All the slime adds up from there. Why release the tax returns? It's not like we're going to win. Why divest from my holdings? It's not like we're going to win. Now they're holding the gun standing over the body that they never expected to die.
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Re: Politics in 2018

Postby Centerfield » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:31 pm

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I'm going to enjoy Trump vs. Bannon.

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