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Apropos of Small Things and What Not 2018

Postby d'Kong76 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:22 pm

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Postby cooby » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:24 pm

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Doesn't appear that the 2017 tax forms are available online yet

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Postby Nymr83 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:11 pm

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cooby wrote:Doesn't appear that the 2017 tax forms are available online yet


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Postby 41Forever » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:42 am

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I had no idea that people in some states were prohibited from pumping their own gas. It's not that hard.

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Postby Rockin' Doc » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:42 pm

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41Forever wrote:I had no idea that people in some states were prohibited from pumping their own gas. It's not that hard.


I know from my travels, that you aren't allowed to pump your own gas in New Jersey. They get all upset if you hop out and start to operate the pump for yourself. I guess by disallowing serf service gas stations, it creates employment opportunities (albeit low level ones).
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Postby Frayed Knot » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:45 pm

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New Jersey is the remaining holdout now that the other last one (Oregon?) recently changed their laws.
Originally self-service was banned for safety reasons but now, yes, I think localities hang onto it as a way of acting like they're preserving jobs.
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Postby LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:39 pm

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d'Kong76 wrote:Our tap water smells like pool water.


Getting a little of this in our "best in the nation" urbanstuff, too.
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Postby Lefty Specialist » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:37 pm

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My wife loves that she doesn't have to pump her own gas, especially in winter. It's a Jersey thing that is very very popular. I think the article in the Times mentioned it was like 63-23 favorability last time they polled it.

The downside is that when I travel out of state I sometimes find myself sitting there at the pump waiting for an attendant who will never, ever come.
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The solution, of course, would be to have self-serve AND full-serve islands which is how it was for years in many locales.
But now it seems that stations are opting to offer you vanilla OR chocolate rather than your choice of either.
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Postby Ashie62 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:18 pm

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NJ's reason is safety first due the density of the state and 50% of the population that would eff it up.

Self service in Camden? One bigass fire.

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Ashie62 wrote:NJ's reason is safety first due the density of the state and 50% of the population that would eff it up.

Self service in Camden? One bigass fire.


Are you saying that the population of New Jersey is mentally less capable of figurin out how to pump their own gas than the population of the other 49 states?
It's really not that diffiicult to figure out.
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Postby Ceetar » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:59 pm

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Lefty Specialist wrote:My wife loves that she doesn't have to pump her own gas, especially in winter. It's a Jersey thing that is very very popular. I think the article in the Times mentioned it was like 63-23 favorability last time they polled it.

The downside is that when I travel out of state I sometimes find myself sitting there at the pump waiting for an attendant who will never, ever come.


garbage. it's all garbage. many people like the zany blue laws as well, but it's all propaganda and brainwashing. Let us pump our own gas if we want, shop on Sundays if we want. If you don't, then don't. go to the full service place, they'll exist, even if it won't be _as_ common. It's usually fine during commuting hours, but next time I'm sitting there waiting for someone to take a nossal out and literally just turn a screw cap I'm just gonna get out and do it myself. technically I don't think that's even against the law as it's not "pumping" gas and i've already paid.
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Postby 41Forever » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:12 am

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Blue laws and pumping gas are propaganda and brain-washing? I don’t follow.

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Postby LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:56 am

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Who likes the Bergen blue laws?

Michigan, the Jersey blue laws aren't just a liquor thing. They're, like, a full economic shutdown on Sundays shebang.
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Postby 41Forever » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:01 am

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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:Who likes the Bergen blue laws?

Michigan, the Jersey blue laws aren't just a liquor thing. They're, like, a full economic shutdown on Sundays shebang.



Had no idea these types of things still existed. Found an interesting story about the laws: http://www.northjersey.com/story/news/2017/06/23/11-things-you-might-not-know-bergen-countys-blue-laws/420512001/

Sounds like its something the local communities still appear to want.

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Postby Nymr83 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:49 pm

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My wife is also from jersey and also cant do it herself. It is pretty amusing, except when they come home and ask if you can take the car out to gas up.
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Postby Ceetar » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:49 pm

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it's so much bs. Mostly it's a game of chicken between the town where all the malls are, Paramus, and the county at large. Paramus publicly states it'll never repeal it's own blue laws, so it's two pronged and no real momentum for change (even from a legal standpoint) because countywide it doesn't matter, and Paramus preaches, heavily, (this is where the propaganda/brainwashing comes in) that it's all about peace and quiet on sundays for people that BOUGHT A HOUSE NEAR A MALL. Even if telling a business (that you're taxing) when they can open and what they can sell were fully legal for a county/town to do (I'd argue it's not.) getting the residents on your side by preaching the peace thing .. Like sure, it's nice to have a lazy sunday and not be able to do anything and no one's going out or driving anywhere, but it's really none of your business if the rest of the town wants to go places. they should have that option.

If that even applied to this bastardized version of it. Like, I can't buy straws at the super market. I can't buy a towel at the gym. Neither of these things contribute to traffic one bit of course, but if the gym can sell a t-shirt, than Macy's can sell a t-shirt. You'd think the huge corporations would pitch a fit about this. What do you mean I can't open my Target location on Sunday? But I guess being in one of the richest suburbs in the nation creates enough revenue anyway, that no one's struggling to make ends meet. Well, except maybe the smaller local businesses, or Jewish ones. But screw them right? Can't have people daring to drive on my street or congesting the roads on sunday, even though it makes Saturday that much worse.

And never mind that this would create millions of jobs and workhours for residents(well more than a theoretical 'you can pump gas' law would potentially) plus the ever increasing loss of sales tax revenue to NY, and the internet because if you know you're not getting out to get what you need on Saturday, just order it on Amazon and it'll be there Monday.

it's the same way with the gas. You can buy t-shirts that say "Jersey girls don't pump gas" it's been marketed as something to be proud of, rather than a government restriction, which is what it is. But then the government doesn't let us turn left in half the state either, so there's that.


edit to add that not only are the blue laws pretty restrictive for a jewish community, many of the same communities are ACTIVELY (like, vandalism active) trying to sabotage eruv in towns that make it easier for some jews to be in the community.
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Postby Benjamin Grimm » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:09 pm

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I had no idea that there were still blue laws in New Jersey. (Is it the whole state, or just the Paramus area?)

And pumping gas is not at all difficult. Anyone who can figure out how to operate an automobile should be able to easily learn how to operate a gas pump. I don't even know if "full service" is still an option in other states. I remember decades ago, when I still lived on Long Island, there were full-service pumps and self-service pumps, but I don't think that's still the case. I know it's not the case where I live now. I don't think I've seen a full-service pump in Pennsylvania for many years, if ever.

I was in Oregon in 2014, and pulled in to a gas station to fill my tank. I got out of the car and got ready to do what you do to pump gas, and the attendant came running up to stop me. Said that in Oregon you can't pump your own gas, and that they're the only state with that law. (Obviously, he didn't know about New Jersey.) I'm trying to think of other countries I've been to. I know that I pumped my own gas in the U.K., and Iceland, and the European mainland. I'm not sure about South Africa. That might have been full service because everyone there is looking for a tip for everything. I've also been to Japan and Peru, but I didn't have a rental car in either of those countries.

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Postby RealityChuck » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:29 pm

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The one caveat for self-service pumps is that people with disabilities have problems doing it. I know of one person who has only one gas station in the area where she can get gas.
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Postby dgwphotography » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:41 pm

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RealityChuck wrote:The one caveat for self-service pumps is that people with disabilities have problems doing it. I know of one person who has only one gas station in the area where she can get gas.

Every gas station I’ve been to around here has a ‘honk for service’ sign for handicapped drivers
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Postby 41Forever » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:05 pm

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dgwphotography wrote:
RealityChuck wrote:The one caveat for self-service pumps is that people with disabilities have problems doing it. I know of one person who has only one gas station in the area where she can get gas.

Every gas station I’ve been to around here has a ‘honk for service’ sign for handicapped drivers


I'm not sure if it is statewide, but I noticed that a lot of the pumps near me have a big button with the handicapped sign on it. Assuming that someone can reach it from inside their car and an attendant comes running out.

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Postby Ceetar » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:35 pm

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be moot once it's all self-driving cars anyway.
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Postby Mets Willets Point » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:55 pm

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Ceetar wrote:be moot once it's all self-driving cars anyway.


Self-fueling cars too?
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Postby cooby » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:57 pm

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My dad taught my daughter how to pump gas when she was about ten years old and self service was rapidly becoming the norm.
Then soon after, still a child, she taught me

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Postby Ceetar » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:03 pm

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Mets Willets Point wrote:
Ceetar wrote:be moot once it's all self-driving cars anyway.


Self-fueling cars too?


I mean, why not? We can probably do this with or without automation btw. it's a prong into a hole, literally one of the first thing we learned how to do?
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