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Mets Willets Point wrote:Nope-rah.


Because she's gonna have to get in line. Doesn't Oprah know that the first cunt daughter already decided that she, Ivanka, is going to be the first female president?


Nah, I just have this crazy idea - and hear me out here - that making an inspirational speech on an important issue does not make one a candidate for President.


I have an even crazier idea that a psychopathic career grifting semi-literate real estate scammer with mob ties and no political experience who can't go two sentences without telling six lies would not make a presidential candidate either.

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If it was up to me ....


If I had a crystal ball and knew that Oprah would win in 2020 if she ran, then I'd be all for it. I'm not taking any chances with any other candidate, no matter how qualified they are. A bird in the hand ....

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If the Democrats don't focus on Congressional elections in 2018 - and thousands of elections for governors and state legislatures - then it's not really going to matter who they nominate for President in 2020.

The singular focus on the Presidency is what got us into this mess in the first place. Between 1992 and 2016 the Dems lost control of Congress (after 60 years in the majority), went from controlling 30 state legislatures to only 11, and from 30 governors to only 18. They need to make it top priority to reverse that trend. Until they make some headway in that area I don't want to hear shit about 2020.
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Not for nothing, but Oprah gave us Amos Oz and Dr. Phil.
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Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Re: Oprah?

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Mets Willets Point wrote:If the Democrats don't focus on Congressional elections in 2018 - and thousands of elections for governors and state legislatures - then it's not really going to matter who they nominate for President in 2020.

The singular focus on the Presidency is what got us into this mess in the first place. Between 1992 and 2016 the Dems lost control of Congress (after 60 years in the majority), went from controlling 30 state legislatures to only 11, and from 30 governors to only 18. They need to make it top priority to reverse that trend. Until they make some headway in that area I don't want to hear shit about 2020.

This.

I'm not sold on Oprah Winfrey as an actual, viable candidate yet, but she's sure as hell more intriguing than any of the other celebs (The Rock?) who have been postulated as potential candidates.
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Mostly bad.

When confronted with bullshit, the just leader asks how to keep that bullshit from infecting the country. The TV producer too often asks "Is this the sort of bullshit my audience will buy?"

She's also given a platform to our fraud of a president not a few times.
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Edgy MD wrote:There was this scene in the first couple of days or two of Congressman Sonny Bono's Washington-is-Mars act, where he took his time at a committee meeting to criticize his colleagues for showing off their erudition, using "legalese" as they discussed the bills before them.

The Congressman who was particularly being chided came back with, "But Congressman Bono, we're writing laws."


Sonny B., at least, had the good graces to start out as a Congressman and even that followed stints in town/city offices.
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Postby Ceetar » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:57 pm

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there's also the crazy idea that Oprah running does not and should not preclude anyone else from running.
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Ceetar wrote:there's also the crazy idea that Oprah running does not and should not preclude anyone else from running.


Probably not, but we did learn in 2016 that an overly crowded primary field can get you the candidate that a plurality love but a majority hate.
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I have no doubt that oprah at least has intelligent friends for her cabinet

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It is my personal belief that Oprah truly dislikes white people.

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Mets Willets Point wrote:If the Democrats don't focus on Congressional elections in 2018 - and thousands of elections for governors and state legislatures - then it's not really going to matter who they nominate for President in 2020.

The singular focus on the Presidency is what got us into this mess in the first place. Between 1992 and 2016 the Dems lost control of Congress (after 60 years in the majority), went from controlling 30 state legislatures to only 11, and from 30 governors to only 18. They need to make it top priority to reverse that trend. Until they make some headway in that area I don't want to hear shit about 2020.


Very true. But one good thing from the Trump ascendancy (actually, the ONLY good thing) is that Democrats have shaken themselves out of their slumber. A Hillary presidency would have continued the previous trend. Now Democrats are fired up in places they never were before. And that portends good things both in 2018 and 2020.

Note: Democrats controlled the House from 1954 to 1994 when they lost it to Newt and friends. Controlled it again from 2006 to 2010. The Senate has been back and forth.
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Postby Edgy MD » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:34 am

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I'm not sure folks are awake enough. There should be protests every day.

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Postby batmagadanleadoff » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:22 am

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Let's just hope that the Supreme Court does the right thing with that Wisconsin gerrymandering case that's gonna be decided before summer's here. Some of these scumbag states are so extremely gerrymandered that in scumbag Michigan, for example, the nation's second worst extremely partisan gerrymandered state, it's believed that the Dems would need a state-wide vote of 65%, maybe 70% and perhaps as high as 75% to gain state and US House majorities. Think about that and then rephrase that another way: In Michigan, the scumbag GOP can hold onto state and US House majorities with perhaps, as little as 25% of the state-wide vote. Why bother voting?

The day after Doug Jones's Alabama US senate seat victory, Rachel Maddow superimposed a map of the senate vote over the Alabama congressional district maps to demonstrate that even though the Dems eked out a one or two percent statewide electoral victory, that same vote would've given the Alabama GOP six of the seven House congressional districts. Chilling.

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Postby batmagadanleadoff » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:32 am

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batmagadanleadoff wrote:The day after Doug Jones's Alabama US senate seat victory, Rachel Maddow superimposed a map of the senate vote over the Alabama congressional district maps to demonstrate that even though the Dems eked out a one or two percent statewide electoral victory....


And another thing: I realize that progress often comes maddeningly slow and in tiny increments but that Alabama is still a fucking disgrace of an embarrasement of a state, Doug Jones's victory notwithstanding. Roy Moore should've lost by 60 points instead of the one or two that he actually lost by.

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Postby Ceetar » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:35 am

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Ceetar wrote:there's also the crazy idea that Oprah running does not and should not preclude anyone else from running.


Probably not, but we did learn in 2016 that an overly crowded primary field can get you the candidate that a plurality love but a majority hate.


crazy idea that you don't need to go through a primary to run for president.
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Edgy MD wrote:I'm not sure folks are awake enough. There should be protests every day.

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Ceetar wrote:there's also the crazy idea that Oprah running does not and should not preclude anyone else from running.


Probably not, but we did learn in 2016 that an overly crowded primary field can get you the candidate that a plurality love but a majority hate.


crazy idea that you don't need to go through a primary to run for president.


If Oprah doesnt go through the primary and runs as a 3rd party that takes votes mainly from the democrat she will be helping Trump win.
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Which is a horrible flaw in our system that we should be addressing.
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Edgy MD wrote:Which is a horrible flaw in our system that we should be addressing.


What's the flaw? That a 3P candidate takes votes away from a main party candidate?

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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:Which is a horrible flaw in our system that we should be addressing.


What's the flaw? That a 3P candidate takes votes away from a main party candidate?


there's no such thing as a 'main party' there are just candidates.

let whoever wants to run, run. this isn't a college hockey tournament with brackets. There are no qualifying contests.
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Ceetar wrote:
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Edgy MD wrote:Which is a horrible flaw in our system that we should be addressing.


What's the flaw? That a 3P candidate takes votes away from a main party candidate?


there's no such thing as a 'main party' there are just candidates.

let whoever wants to run, run. this isn't a college hockey tournament with brackets. There are no qualifying contests.


Its a "flaw" because there ia no runoff or instant runoff where you need 50% to win.

So, under the current system, there is downside to a 3rd party if it takes away from your "2nd choice" who is more viable

A fairer system would indeed let everyone run, but would re-allocate votes as your preferred candidate was the lowest ranked and keep doing that until someone hit 50%. Of course, this would require the same voters who cant figure out the current ballots to figure out how to rank choices. Many would end up fuckung up.
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:Which is a horrible flaw in our system that we should be addressing.


What's the flaw? That a 3P candidate takes votes away from a main party candidate?

That the system is built to ensure only two viable parties. That a strong third party candidate generally ends up working against their own purposes, by siphoning off votes from the candidate ideologically closest to him on her, and so strengthening the likelihood that that her or his ideological opposite wins with a minority of support.

I see that as fundamentally flawed, and a system that delivered us a profoundly damaging outcome that doesn't represent a very strong democratic outcome.
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Postby Ceetar » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:50 pm

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I did preface it with 'crazy idea'
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