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Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Centerfield » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:30 am

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So if not Oprah then who?

I propose Kirsten Gillibrand.

http://www.newsweek.com/kirsten-gillibr ... ent-715735

Besides, white women didn't vote for Hillary in 2016. Do you think there is any chance they will vote for a black woman?

Find me a better candidate than Gillibrand.

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Benjamin Grimm » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:34 am

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I don't know if they're better than Gillibrand, but other alternatives I've been hearing about are Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. I don't yet have a preference among the three of them.

And there's also Biden and Bernie and Elizabeth Warren.

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Ceetar » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:35 am

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I propose they run 'democratic nominee' and then don't tell anyone until after the election who the party selected. makes it hard for republicans to run attack ads or energize a base to come out and vote against someone.
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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby d'Kong76 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:18 pm

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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Nymr83 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:19 pm

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Gillibrand and Booker both seem like reasonable candidates, particularly when you are trying to win an election against Donald Trump. There is absolutely no reason to give him a nutjob far-left or scandal-ridden hillary-esque opponent to attack. Run either of them and i'd say you are 90% likely to win right now.

Sanders is pretty far from the mainstream, will be almost 80 at election day, and his wife has an active scandal that could lead to criminal charges. if he is the nominee, democratic voters should be very angry at their party.

Kamala Harris as AG of CA tried to intimidate conservative non-profits by forcing them to turn over donor lists - almost exactly the same actions as what the court struck down in NAACP v Alabama. She was rightfully smacked down hard by the courts. I'd hate to have someone else like that in charge, no matter their political leanings. I don't know what she brings as a candidate that Gillibrand doesn't surpass.

I suspect, without polls to look at, that Warren is far less popular in the places that matter than Gillibrand/Booker. Not sure where i'd fall on her as a candidate overall but i'd say she isnt the strongest they can run.

I'm sure Cuomo and DiBlasio want to be part of the conversation, but i'm not sure the party at large wants them to be.


I think Tammy Duckworth is ineligible? Otherwise she could run just so we could all watch Donald Trump make fun of a disabled veteran, though i suppose he's already done that.
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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Mets Willets Point » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:42 pm

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Jeb Bush. Fits in with the core Democratic Party belief of "winning elections by moving to the right." Also, since they now think that George W. Bush was a decent guy, they may as well get the "smart one" on their side.
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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Benjamin Grimm » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:45 pm

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I don't know:

Wikipedia wrote:Duckworth was the first Asian American woman elected to Congress in Illinois, the first disabled woman to be elected to Congress, and the first member of Congress born in Thailand. Her father, an American, and her Thai-Chinese mother were working and living there at the time.


Since her father was an American citizen, wouldn't that make her a citizen from birth? I think that's what made Ted Cruz eligible.

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Nymr83 wrote:I think Tammy Duckworth is ineligible? Otherwise she could run just so we could all watch Donald Trump make fun of a disabled veteran, though i suppose he's already done that.


Duckworth's father was a US citizen at the time of her birth so she's as eligible as John McCain or Ted Cruz.
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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby 41Forever » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:04 pm

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Watch for someone to rise from the ranks of the governors, rather than the Senate. And I think it will be someone younger than Biden/Warren/Sanders. Keep an eye on Virgina Gov. Terry McAuliffe.

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby sharpie » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:40 pm

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Dems don't have much of a reasonable Governor bench. Terry McAuliffe is not really a viable candidate. Jerry Brown and Andrew Cuomo are the only ones with name recognition and I don't think either one of them is going to get the nomination.

I do remember that in 2016 you, 41Forever (in your former guise), said that the GOP candidate would come from the governor's ranks as well. Jeb Bush, Scott Walker and John Kasich ended up winning a grand total of one primary.

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Edgy MD » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:52 pm

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If you've got the goods, there's plenty of time to get name recognition.

And in addition to governors, there are also plenty of former governors.
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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Frayed Knot » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:00 pm

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Centerfield wrote:Besides, white women didn't vote for Hillary in 2016. Do you think there is any chance they will vote for a black woman?


White women didn't vote for Hillary because they didn't like Hillary, not enough of them anyway.
Give people a candidate they trust and *MOST* won't care about the race/gender/ethnicity.
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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby cooby » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:04 pm

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I voted for Hillary and I would vote for a black woman too. But not just for those reasons

Btw I love Ellen and wouldn't wish it on her :)

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby 41Forever » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:12 pm

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sharpie wrote:Dems don't have much of a reasonable Governor bench. Terry McAuliffe is not really a viable candidate. Jerry Brown and Andrew Cuomo are the only ones with name recognition and I don't think either one of them is going to get the nomination.

I do remember that in 2016 you, 41Forever (in your former guise), said that the GOP candidate would come from the governor's ranks as well. Jeb Bush, Scott Walker and John Kasich ended up winning a grand total of one primary.


I think we all were surprised by what happened in 2016.

But I do think that governors tend to be better presidents.

Why is McAuliffe not a viable candidate? The Clinton connections?

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Nymr83 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:24 pm

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Hickenlooper isnt viable? he was the next name i thought of not already mentioned in my post above.

Duckworth's father was a US citizen at the time of her birth so she's as eligible as John McCain or Ted Cruz.


i dont know anything about Cruz's situation. McCain was born at a Navy base in the Panama Canal Zone, which was considered US territory at the time.

is parents' citizenship enough?
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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Centerfield » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:24 pm

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Frayed Knot wrote:
Centerfield wrote:Besides, white women didn't vote for Hillary in 2016. Do you think there is any chance they will vote for a black woman?


White women didn't vote for Hillary because they didn't like Hillary, not enough of them anyway.
Give people a candidate they trust and *MOST* won't care about the race/gender/ethnicity.


How I wish that were true.

68% of white women voted for likeable, trustworthy Roy Moore.

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby sharpie » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:29 pm

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The Clinton connection plus his general terribleness as head of the DNC plus his super-insider background seem to be exactly what the public doesn't want. He only won the Virginia governership because Ken Cuccinelli was an even more terrible candidate.

I do agree that governorships are good training grounds for the White House. I just don't see it with the current Democratic crop. As Edgy points out there could be some that appear in the forefront between now and then but 3 years out I can't see anyone I would put a dollar on.

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

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sharpie wrote:The Clinton connection plus his general terribleness as head of the DNC plus his super-insider background seem to be exactly what the public doesn't want. He only won the Virginia governership because Ken Cuccinelli was an even more terrible candidate.

I do agree that governorships are good training grounds for the White House. I just don't see it with the current Democratic crop. As Edgy points out there could be some that appear in the forefront between now and then but 3 years out I can't see anyone I would put a dollar on.


Fair points. The Dems have a weak bench across the board. In a bit of a transition from the aging Pelosi/Reid/Biden era to the next generation.

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

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Nymr83 wrote:Hickenlooper isnt viable? he was the next name i thought of not already mentioned in my post above.

Duckworth's father was a US citizen at the time of her birth so she's as eligible as John McCain or Ted Cruz.


i dont know anything about Cruz's situation. McCain was born at a Navy base in the Panama Canal Zone, which was considered US territory at the time.

is parents' citizenship enough?


Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta. Didn't move to the US until he was 4. His mother was a US citizen and his father was a Cuban who'd not yet gained US citizenship at the time.
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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Benjamin Grimm » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:03 pm

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Centerfield wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
Centerfield wrote:Besides, white women didn't vote for Hillary in 2016. Do you think there is any chance they will vote for a black woman?


White women didn't vote for Hillary because they didn't like Hillary, not enough of them anyway.
Give people a candidate they trust and *MOST* won't care about the race/gender/ethnicity.


How I wish that were true.

68% of white women voted for likeable, trustworthy Roy Moore.


Well, those are white women in Alabama. It might very well be different in swing states.

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Nymr83 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:18 pm

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Nymr83 wrote:Hickenlooper isnt viable? he was the next name i thought of not already mentioned in my post above.

Duckworth's father was a US citizen at the time of her birth so she's as eligible as John McCain or Ted Cruz.


i dont know anything about Cruz's situation. McCain was born at a Navy base in the Panama Canal Zone, which was considered US territory at the time.

is parents' citizenship enough?


Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta. Didn't move to the US until he was 4. His mother was a US citizen and his father was a Cuban who'd not yet gained US citizenship at the time.


And you are sure we can't disqualify him? ;)
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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Centerfield » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:20 pm

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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Centerfield wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
Centerfield wrote:Besides, white women didn't vote for Hillary in 2016. Do you think there is any chance they will vote for a black woman?


White women didn't vote for Hillary because they didn't like Hillary, not enough of them anyway.
Give people a candidate they trust and *MOST* won't care about the race/gender/ethnicity.


How I wish that were true.

68% of white women voted for likeable, trustworthy Roy Moore.


Well, those are white women in Alabama. It might very well be different in swing states.


Understood. But the number was offered to demonstrate that it's too simplistic to suggest this was about likeability. Race/gender/ethnicity are huge factors.

Roy Moore, a sexual predator, ran on a platform of bigotry and prejudice, and carried the white woman vote 68% in his state.

Donald Trump, a sexual predator, ran on a platform of bigotry and prejudice and carried the white woman vote 53% nationwide.

Underestimating bigotry doomed the Democrats in 2020. That can never happen again.

Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Edgy MD » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:17 pm

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Re: Democratic Nomination 2020

Postby Lefty Specialist » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:12 pm

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Too early. Things need to shake out a little bit first. There are about 10 names, some I like but don't love, some that shouldn't run, some I think are phonies. We'll see how it plays out.

Like:
Hickenlooper
Harris
Gillibrand
Warren
Sherrod Brown

Shouldn't run:
Sanders
Biden
Oprah

Phonies:
Cuomo
Booker
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