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Rankings for Dummies

Postby Frayed Knot » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:07 am

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A quick list of FAQs for newbies concerning the player status levels next to your posts and about this whole Rankings Forum in general:
(updated 3/15/17)

Why does it say 'Jim the Monstrously Huge Batboy' next to my post?
* Because that's the 'status level' that all newbies get

How long will I have it?
* Stick around and find out

But everyone else has a real player!
* But everyone else has a real player ... oh quit whining

So just who was 'Jim the Monstrously Huge Batboy'?
* Back sometime in the mid/late '90s there was a Met batboy with the name 'Jim' on the back of his uniform who, even though he looked to be only around 14-15 years old, was at least the size of Dallas Green

So I get assigned a different Met player after a set number of posts?
* That's the idea

Are all Mets included?
* No. More than half of the over 1,000 Mets were deemed to have contributions to the team so insignificant that they didn't even make the cut.

How many levels are there?
* 500

How many posts between levels?
* It gets steeper as you go. Attaining quality is never easy young Grasshopper.

So the players get better as my post level increases?
* Yes, at least theoretically

How was the order decided?
* Well, that's a bit of a long story:
A discussion after the 2001 season about which players contributed the most and/or least to that season led to a challenge to do the same to all 40 seasons. So, after much discussion, arguing, name-calling and hair-pulling, each season had 30 players ranked as to their contribution. Points were assigned for each rank and then multiplied by the weighted success of the team that season. The results were added up and a score was reached so that the best and longest lasting Mets garnered the total most points and therefore best overall rank.
(OK, so it wasn't so long afterall)

Who was #1?
* Still 'The Franchise' but that might not hold out forever.

Can I see the list?
* Yes, but then we'd have to kill you.
Actually, go to the end of this thread for the most recent version of the list. Two lists actually, one displayed in alphabetical order, the other in numeric order.
The list gets updated each year and we're sometimes even up to date on the updates.

If I hate the player I'm assigned can I do anything about it?
* Well you can get mad, leave in a huff and never comeback. Or you could continue to put up more (hopefully intelligent) posts until you're someone else.

You mean at some point I'll be Vince Coleman?!?!
* 'Fraid so

Really?
* Yes, really!.

What if I think someone is ranked too high or too low?
* Well, if you're really a masochist you can dig through the thread for each year that said player played, see what the final result was and then argue that he should have been higher or lower in those years

Will anyone listen?
* If you make a decent argument they might. Depending on your angle the reactions could vary anywhere from;
"Excellent point young lad, we never thought about it that way!"
to
"If you think we're rehashing this crap again you got another think coming!"
... or anywhere in between depending on the quality of your argument and the mood and/or sobriety of the person who reads it.

Is the list up to date?
* Yup! (c). All results from the 2016 season are now included so the list is set until we need to consider 2017.

When it's time to analyze 2017 can I join in the discussion?
* Sure
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Postby ScarletKnight41 » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:09 pm

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But everyone else has a real player!
* But everyone else has a real player ... oh quit whining


Well done Frayed <g>
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Postby d'Kong76 » Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:58 am

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>>>Can I see the list?
* Yes, but then we'd have to kill you.<<<

lol

Postby ScarletKnight41 » Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:24 pm

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I was thinking about this thread today. It's still good for a chuckle.

Hopefully any newbies will take it in the spirit in which it's intended.
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Postby Zvon » Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:48 pm

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ScarletKnight41 wrote:Hopefully any newbies will take it in the spirit in which it's intended.


I did. :)
And it explains alot.

I knew something was up when I was no longer the huge batboy.

It would be kool if at some point, like 1 gazillion posts or something, you got to pick your favorite and keep it, and that player is removed from the pool.

Postby ScarletKnight41 » Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:51 pm

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Well, that's not exactly how our system works. But at 11,000 posts you get to choose a custom designation.
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Postby TheOldMole » Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:17 am

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What is the spirit in which it's intended?



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Postby d'Kong76 » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:42 pm

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I don't get the spirit comment either. Bourbon? Ghosts? Pom Poms?
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Postby ScarletKnight41 » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:46 pm

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It means to take Frayed's guidelines in stride.

Anyone who is going to get his panties in a knot over something Frayed said probably isn't going to fit in here too easily.
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Postby d'Kong76 » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:44 pm

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His panties?

I don't think we need to coddle anyone with regards to the ranks, but whatever.
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Postby ScarletKnight41 » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:47 pm

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That's my point.
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Postby d'Kong76 » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:52 pm

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I'd say I'm wearing mine on my head, but that's been done already.
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Postby ScarletKnight41 » Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:37 am

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My IT teacher put out an FAQ for the class. I swear that Frayed could have written it.
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Postby MFS62 » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:49 pm

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How was the order decided?
* Well, that's a bit of a long story:
A discussion after the 2001 season about which players contributed the most and/or least to that season led to a challenge to do the same to all 40 seasons. So, after much discussion, arguing, name-calling and hair-pulling, each season had 30 players ranked as to their contribution. Points were assigned for each rank and then multiplied by the weighted success of the team that season. The results were added up and a score was reached so that the best and longest lasting Mets garnered the total most points and therefore best overall rank.


I guess that "time with the Mets" consideration was why a few days ago, I was Nolan Ryan, yesterday I was Art Shamsky, and now I'm Jeff Innis.

It obviously isn't based on player ability OR fame.

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Postby Frayed Knot » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:56 am

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Well sure, Nolan wasn't a Met all that long.
It's not like we're gonna give him points for what he did as a Cal Angel, or a Ranger or an Astro.
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Postby Elster88 » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:24 pm

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Frayed Knot wrote:Can I see the list?
* Yes, but then we'd have to kill you.
Actually ... there are two threads in this forum which contain links to the list; one in alphabetical order, one in numeric order.


Where'd the alphabetical one go?

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Postby Elster88 » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:21 pm

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Elster88 wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:Can I see the list?
* Yes, but then we'd have to kill you.
Actually ... there are two threads in this forum which contain links to the list; one in alphabetical order, one in numeric order.


Where'd the alphabetical one go?

Bueller?

Postby d'Kong76 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:34 pm

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It's on the bottom of page two

http://www.kcmets.com/CPFRankingProj/RankAl04.pdf
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Postby Frayed Knot » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:43 pm

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So when are the 2005 results going to be incorporated into list, huh?
David Wright is upset at being behind so many mediocrities simply because only his first half-season is included so far.
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Postby d'Kong76 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:51 pm

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I lost track of 2005, is there a spreadsheet? I can whip something up to
link to if you send it to me.
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Postby Edgy MD » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:54 pm

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Problem is that I can update everything at home, but my spreadsheet application isn't Excel, and it won't translate likely when I send it to Yancy for re-introduction to our database.

Most of my work is here, but I'm not in a professional situation where I can, you, know, spend my day tooling around with baseball spreasheets.

Postby Willets Point » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:55 pm

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Since when?

Postby d'Kong76 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:00 pm

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I mean is there a list that I can make into a .pdf to publish and have
available? If I recall correctly, LF or you sent me OpenOffice spreadsheet
and I was able to do it from that.
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Postby d'Kong76 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:10 pm

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There, I put a question mark on the end of the sentence.
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Postby Benjamin Grimm » Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:23 pm

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I'm just seeing this now.

If I remember right, I had a spreadsheet that simply generated a bunch of SQL statements that updated the PHPBB table that stores the ranking info. I then logged in to the admin section (for the domain, not for the board) and pasted the SQL. I'll dig around tonight or tomorrow and see if I can find the spreadsheet.

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